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- Item 7853148 12-April-91 15:07PDT
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- From: BERDAHL Amoco Tech, Eric Berdahl,VAR
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- To: CDA0542 Serge Froment, Informagique,CAS
- MACAPP.TECH$ MacApp Technical
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- Sub: Re: MacApp 3.0 vs C++
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- Serge (aka Rip Van Winkle),
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- Flame on.
-
- First off, where have you been for the past two months that you had to learn of
- this from David Ramsey on CompuServe? MacWeek, AppleLink, and even local
- taverns have discussed the switch ad nauseaum. This is not a new topic, nor is
- it one that Apple has taken lightly. Quite the contrary, they have withstood a
- great deal of heat from all sides about the switch to C++, both from the
- direction of actually having MacApp in C++ and from the angle of how it was
- presented.
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- As to your comment about Pascal being best suited for purist programmers,
- that’s got to be the biggest load of hogwash that I’ve heard. Everybody tries
- to claim that their language is the be-all end-all of programming in the modern
- world and they are all wrong. Whatever works best for you is what you should
- use and don’t force me to live with your shortcomings. As long as we can both
- talk to each other in a common frame of reference, who cares what language we
- use!!?!?!?? I won’t restate the old argument about programming in assembly
- because the toolbox is in assembly. That one has been beaten into the ground
- and may not hold anyway if you really press it (aren’t we all ultimately coding
- in quantum wells anyway?).
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- The attitude you present indicates a complete ignorance of the language issue.
- Apple is not “killing one of two languages.” How the @$#@ do you think C++
- people have been using MacApp for the past two years?! We certainly didn’t
- have a C++ version of MacApp and we’ve been happily cranking out code.
- Furthermore, ALL of MacApp is available to BOTH languages today and will
- continue to be in the future. And BTW, most of us are not “hacker types,” we
- are responsible programmers, just as most Pascal programmers are not
- “idealistic spinnerheads” for using Pascal. If you want to say that you prefer
- Pascal, fine, just don’t degrade the rest of the world to justify your personal
- opinions.
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- Penultimately, let’s get two thing very straight: 1) The language is C++, not
- C. You can drag the C name through the muck all you like, but they are two
- different languages with two different models of the world and two different
- philosophies of that “good programs” look like. I, personally, believe that
- the worst thing about the language is the baggage carried around by its
- name-relation to the C language. 2) Apple is not forcing you to use C++ any
- more that it was forcing you to use Pascal before.
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- Finally, I laugh at your citing the “multi-lingual programmer community.” If
- the community consisted of multi-lingual programmers, we would not be having
- this discussion. In general, I’ve found that if you actually talk to
- programmers instead of spouting off on irrelevant topics, the level of
- awareness and proficiency of Object Pascal in C++ programmers is indescribly
- higher than that of C++ in Object Pascal programmers. So, before you go waving
- your flag about multi-lingual programmers or a multi-lingual community, look
- first at who is making the attempt to work together and who is just sitting
- back hoping nothing changes.
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- Flame off.
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- Running desperately for larger pots (and more soup stock),
- Eric Berdahl
- Amoco Technology Company
- AppleLink: BERDAHL
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